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Sine @ Wednesday, December 8th 2004, 8:20 PM

I'm not done yet but the computer I'm using sucks so I'll finish when I get home tonight.

Sine @ Friday, December 10th 2004, 12:07 AM

It has wings now, I'm done.

Sine @ Saturday, December 11th 2004, 2:11 AM

You're welcome! And thanks for the comment. 'Realistic' is a very subjective word when it comes to art.

Kosmonauttihai @ Wednesday, December 15th 2004, 9:03 PM

This is very intriguing. I keep staring at it, and yet, I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at. Which is wonderful.

The colours are beautiful, and together with the use of watercolour tool they create an illusion that this might be a photograph of an oil painting.

The background makes me think of clouds at sunset, or a few hours before sunset, in fact. At that moment when the sky is still blue, but the clouds glow with unearthly pink and yellow light, and if it's winter, so does the snow.

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Liitonakki @ Saturday, November 27th 2004, 9:43 PM

There was another backleg too but I guess I accidently painted it black and realized so late. I was just too lazy to draw it again.
Bad me.

Sine @ Sunday, November 28th 2004, 4:23 AM

Hey it's okay. Some animals only have three legs anyway. I like the markings on this!

HyENA84 @ Monday, November 29th 2004, 9:26 AM

Some don't have any legs at all...And its not like the angle couldn't be hideing it at least a little...The little beady eye amuses me...

Kosmonauttihai @ Tuesday, November 30th 2004, 12:36 PM

Wonderful gradient shading with solid colours (if that makes any sense).
Ja nimensä näköinen koira. Ihana.

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Sine @ Wednesday, November 24th 2004, 12:41 AM

I'm not really sure what this is a picture of.
Usually I hate the color scheme green and blue, but surprisingly, I think it worked out.

Kosmonauttihai @ Friday, November 26th 2004, 10:28 PM

Ui, the insect is beautiful!
It shines in a very insecty way. And I also like a lot the effect those thin transparent lines indicating the wings create.
I always draw my insects so thin it's delightful to see a pudgy one for a change. ^^
Besides it looks amusing with those delicate wings that supposedly are able to keep it airborne (well, by all rationality, bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly with their small fragile wings since they're so huge compared to them, but they damn well do).

It is surprising what unusual colour combinations can result as. I myself hate the pair bluish purple and light yellow, but sometimes I find myself using those exact colours, and actually liking it.

The person looks deliciously jellyish.
Now I keep wondering whether it's the insect that turned them into that way, or are they jellyish all on their own, and the insect's keeping them from jellifying further.

Very horsy.

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Kosmonauttihai @ Saturday, November 20th 2004, 11:59 AM

For some reason my mum's computer refuses to send pictures without a fight.

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NybeKat @ Saturday, November 20th 2004, 12:53 PM

I think the cat is eating her head! :O
No siltä se näyttää.. niin tuima ilmekin ^^;
Lisää kuvia jäniksestä~

Pitäisi itekin piirtää jokin talvinen kuva nyt kun luntakin näkyy jonkiverran :)

Kosmonauttihai @ Sunday, November 21st 2004, 7:03 PM

That so?
Well thank you. That originality comment really makes me feel good, because one of the things I constantly angst about is that I'm certain this and this kind of character's been done a hundred times before, every time I create a new one.
I guess it's inevitable, though, every story and their mother has human characters, and there's rather good chances the trait combination you've got in mind indeed has been seen already, albeit in a slightly different style and maybe with another eyecolour.
That's life. Or fingerless gloves, or whatever you wish to call it.
Just don't make it too official, saves you the red tape when you change your mind.

Katja just gave me an idea for another picture.
We'll see when I find the time to sit down and draw it.

Sine @ Monday, November 22nd 2004, 11:04 PM

I absolutely need to get myself a head-eating cat hat like the one in your picture. Awesomeness!
Hey, I'd be curious to see what it would look like if you did a picture that was outlined in a color that is not black.

Kosmonauttihai @ Tuesday, November 23rd 2004, 12:14 PM

Indeed. Thanks for reminding me, I haven't used any alternative outline colours in a forever (and browsing through the board, it seems I've done very few such pictures here at all).
I now know two things to include in my next oekaki. :D

The hat's gonna get some more publicity soon. I'm trying to finish the next page by tonight (whatever happened to my well-organized scheduling, I wonder).

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Sine @ Wednesday, November 17th 2004, 8:47 PM

Socks are underappreciated.

NybeKat @ Thursday, November 18th 2004, 10:18 PM

Green mist!
I wonder how they put the socks on without hands.. though they do have long neck..hmm :O

Sine @ Saturday, November 20th 2004, 2:05 AM

Hmm... Perhaps telekinetics.

Kosmonauttihai @ Saturday, November 20th 2004, 12:10 PM

Green is quite underappreciated as well, now that I think of it.
Your pictures have a beautifully eerie dream-like atmosphere, and this one is no exception.
It's also inspiring that you require so little time to create that.

Sine @ Monday, November 22nd 2004, 11:26 PM

I have to do it in so little time.. I have exactly 25 minutes between getting out of class and catching the bus.

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Kosmonauttihai @ Sunday, November 7th 2004, 10:34 AM

Flicker.

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Liitonakki @ Sunday, November 7th 2004, 8:47 PM

Ohh.. I love them. I want one!

NybeKat @ Tuesday, November 16th 2004, 6:45 PM

Meh~ Siin on kivan pehmeät värit.
Söpöi minipöllöpörriäisii~

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Liitonakki @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 11:50 PM

Semmoista se on. Luultavasti. Kaiketi.
Mistä minä tiedän...

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Sine @ Monday, November 8th 2004, 1:04 AM

This is quite adorable. The faces are so expressive!

Kosmonauttihai @ Tuesday, November 16th 2004, 3:40 PM

On loistavat värit, kyllä vain. Yllätyksenähän se ei tule, kerta teikäläisellä on aina kovin toimivat väritykset, mutta aina pitää kehua sitä kärsivällisyyttä jota tuollainen varmasti vaatii.
Yksityiskohtaa ja pelkistystä on sopiva sekoite.
Ja suloisia ovat poikaset. Varsinkin tuo silmiään auki pitävä pöllöpallero, jolla valuu yrjösoppaa supielistä. Nami.

NybeKat @ Tuesday, November 16th 2004, 6:48 PM

On kyllä ihanan väsyneen näköinen tuo pöllönen :D miullaki on tuollaiset silmät ja ilme nykyään.. *haukoti*
Eipä nuo pennutkaan näytä hirveästi ruuasta tykätä ^^;
Aurinko sentään jaksaa hymyillä~

Kiva että sieki jaksat vielä täällä piirrellä :]

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Kosmonauttihai @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 4:29 PM

Brume smells of staplers and nonanone.

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Sine @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 10:21 PM

Yay, I comment on your art too!

This looks like a scene from a story or something.

I always find it so interesting to watch how other people use colors. Like how did you know exactly what shade of orangy-pink would look so good not only on the nose, but around the eyes too?

And I suppose that if you can have naked people on here, then I really shouldn't have worried about my Evil Bird at all.

NybeKat @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 11:10 PM

Herrrkullinen sydän~ Juups, juuri se tässä valmiissa versiossa ensimmäisenä hyökkäsi silmiini.

Nice close-up.. I want to poke her nose! :O
Who is the other one? Uuh, kalpea~

Kosmonauttihai @ Sunday, November 7th 2004, 10:02 AM

Thank you.

I doubt I actually knew what shade of red to use as much as I just slapped in the first default colour that looked convenient.
Now that I look at this, it's almost embarassing how little I bothered to use the mixer at all. Reiska's skin could have been of a less healthy colour, for one thing.
But what the yak.

Maybe they let me draw naked people just because I'm ad... ^^
Dunno. Haven't drawn any on this board before.

Se toinen on kehveli muttei jäärä.

HyENA84 @ Thursday, November 11th 2004, 10:34 AM

The red face looking marks on the nakey person reminds me of the page in SsOs...

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Sine @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 3:49 AM

It's an evil bird.

Sine @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 3:54 AM

Hm.. If it's not okay to submit something like this then I'm really sorry and you can delete it.

NybeKat @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 5:37 PM

Sure it's ok.
Somehow reminds me of easter eggs ^^;

Kosmonauttihai @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 8:01 PM

If you're referring to the rule about disturbing images not suitable to the eyes of minors or those of weak heart, don't worry. Evil birds are most welcome.
I'm not even sure why we need a rule about disturbing images anyway, the most disturbing thing I ever see on this board is the continuous Dragon Ball fanart, and I doubt I'd personally even mind stuff more disturbing.
Disturbing is good... except if you're in the middle of something important.
I wonder if the antonym of disturbing is turbing. It sounds fun, I think I'll start using it in conversations.

The picture is simple, but simplicity isn't a negative trait. Nope.
And actually, I, too, am reminded of Easter by this, maybe it's the combination of yellow and a chick-like bird... and easter eggs being decorated with similar pattern sometimes.
I think it's cute. Whether that be blood or raspberry jam the chicky's wading in, it's cute.
And you handled the liquid quite horsely.

Sine @ Saturday, November 6th 2004, 10:27 PM

Oo, I never thought about the word disturbing without the 'dis'. I must investigate this....

.... Well it appears as if the 'turbing' part comes from the word turbid. But then, wouldn't the word 'disturbing' mean the opposite? Ah well.

In any event, might someone inform me of how to say Evil Bird in Finnish?

Kosmonauttihai @ Sunday, November 7th 2004, 10:10 AM

How mysterious. Disturbing, almost.

Evil bird is paha lintu.
You may also find these two sites useful sources of such information:
http://www.tracetech.net/sanat/
http://efe.scape.net/
The first one is down every once in a while, but works better than the other one when it works at all.

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Sine @ Sunday, October 31st 2004, 9:15 AM

This is the first Oekaki I've ever done using my tablet. Whee!

How do you say fish in Finnish?

Sine @ Monday, November 1st 2004, 2:54 AM

Oo, and how do you say monkey?

NybeKat @ Monday, November 1st 2004, 9:34 PM

I like your style of using colors~
So many colors but not too drastic :}
I like how the boy looks, the fish is scary.. did it think the boy is bird ^^; Haha, rooster head :D

In my new homepage (not yet relased) will have a section for those who want to learn finnish~
I'll let you know then :)

Kosmonauttihai @ Tuesday, November 2nd 2004, 9:30 AM

This is adorable.
A working marriage of muted and bright colours., and your use of the watercolour tool is laudable.
Not to mention the intriquingly whimsical choice of subject.

Hehee, suddenly everybody wants to learn Finnish. ^^
(okay, maybe two people isn't everybody)

Spiralmin @ Tuesday, November 2nd 2004, 10:18 PM

Wow! I like the hazy style and the use of colors.

Why does the guy look so bored? I wouldn't be bored if there were a fish that big eating my arm... :o

Sine @ Wednesday, November 3rd 2004, 3:46 AM

Apina-kala!
Wow, thanks for all the comments! I've never been on an Oekaki board where people actually say things.. I'm very flattered, thanks! In response to your comments, I have no idea why the fish is thinking about a bird. The kid is bored because um... because this happens every day to him. (He used to have more arms, you see. Really!) And thanks for teaching me some Finish! You people are all awesome! Draw more stuff!!!

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Sine @ Saturday, October 23rd 2004, 5:51 AM

Hello, I'm new here and this is my first post. This looks like a great place so far! Happy robot fishes for everyone!

NybeKat @ Saturday, October 23rd 2004, 11:52 AM

Hi there~ Welcome!
This is pretty interesting. I like the dark background with so many colors, and I think the smaller fish thing is adorable ^__^

Sine @ Saturday, October 23rd 2004, 11:14 PM

Thank you very much!!

Kosmonauttihai @ Sunday, October 24th 2004, 12:00 PM

Hi! Welcome aboard, you.
I'm quite fond of the dirty colours and soft, hazy outlinelessness.
As well as the swirls, and the eyes of the larger, lobsterly-tailed fish.

And actually, now that I look at it, Kei and you appear to have a toeful of similarity in your styles. Which is only natural, I suppose, as I recall the two of you are friends.

Judging from the animation it looks like you did it on single layer, and that deserves an extra chartreusing.
*chartreuses*
See, I told you you had the embismurk. :)

Sine @ Monday, October 25th 2004, 9:08 AM

Yay I have the embismurk! (Though I know not what that means...)
Someone ought to teach me some finnish so that I can tell people that I like their pictures.
I am certain I pick up things from Kei's art that I do not realize.
And, I had no idea that one could use layers in Oekaki! I am enlightened!

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Spiralmin @ Friday, October 22nd 2004, 1:18 PM

Tämmönen mustavalkotöherrysyritys.

NybeKat @ Saturday, October 23rd 2004, 11:58 AM

Toivon toki että jatkaisit tätä jonkin verran, nyt näyttää niin kovin keskeneräiseltä, kun tuota mustaakin on niin paljon yläpuolella.
Ootkos muuten mallia käyttänyt tuohon hahmoon? Vaikuttaa jollain tavalla hiukan tutulta..
Onko sillä tupakki suussa vai näänkö harhoja? :D

Spiralmin @ Saturday, October 23rd 2004, 12:30 PM

Käytin randomilla googletettua valokuvaa mallina. Ton kasvonpiirteistä tuli luonnostellessa vähän erilaiset kuin kuvassa ja päätin sitten etten yritäkään tehdä ihan samanlaista.
Ja ei, sillä ei oo tarkotus olla tupakki. :p

Kosmonauttihai @ Sunday, October 24th 2004, 12:11 PM

Juu näyttää tupakoitsevalta näin nopsaan katsottuna minustakin. Se on tuo käden ääriviiva, joka on vähän irrallaan käden täyttöväristä, kun tekeepi sen.
Kyseinen käsi on muuten hiukan pitkä.

Kasvot ovat varsin onnistuneet (tosin kauempi silmä näyttää vähän karsastavan, mutta sehän voi olla tahallista) muadoltansa.
Mutta sitä nojattavaa käsivartta ja sitten noita sormia etummassa kädessä miettisin vielä.

Terävän ja utuisen viivan yhteiselo ei suju ihan saumatta, mutta sitähän voi vielä säätää ja nysvätä, jos tätä jatkatte.
Tuo musta nääs minullekin keskeneräisyyden tuopi mieleen.

Ja sitten valaistus on hieman hakusessa. Valo näyttäisi oikealta päin (täältä katsottuna, kyllä) tulevan, yläviistosta (mikä varmaan yleisin valonlähteen sijoituskohde onkin), mutta se jättää kovin vähän varjoa ottaen huomioon, että sen on oltava kirkas saadakseen tytön noin hyvin näkyviin pimiässä.
Jos hän on itsevalaiseva, niin sitten ei mitään.

Mustavalkoisuus on piristävää.

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Kosmonauttihai @ Thursday, October 21st 2004, 6:30 PM

Vuu.

HyENA84 @ Thursday, October 21st 2004, 11:47 PM

I like how you added the light reflections from the water on the rocks.They should really see somone about that possable sinus problem...

Spiralmin @ Friday, October 22nd 2004, 9:28 AM

Vau, hiano. Hassu aihe.
Sillä tulee räkää nenästä... :o
Vesi ja kalliot upeita.

NybeKat @ Saturday, October 23rd 2004, 12:06 PM

Hei, ei, iie, kesä meni jo :O Enkä taaskaan päässyt lähellekään vettä.
Hän on hieman, öö, pimahtaneen näköinen..hassulla tavalla.
Okei, pidän teitin kallioista ja kivistä näköjään aina, miksen minäkin osaa.
Ja vesiväri veri, eiku siis vesi (anteeksi typo, se oli vanhinko jonka huomasin vasta kun olin lähettämässä ^^;) ja nuo heikot pilviset (ja tiput) taustalla on kivoja.

Kosmonauttihai @ Sunday, October 24th 2004, 12:20 PM

Tackså.

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Spiralmin @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 11:17 AM

Schi-Joe eli skitso. Sillä on spiraalisilmät.

Töhertelin kaikkea lyijärillä ja tuli tommonen. Tulin sitten tänne piirtämään sen.

Sitä se liika valvominen teettää...

Kosmonauttihai @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 5:34 PM

Hassua miten tämä on kuin eri ihmisen piirtämä tuohon alempaan verrattuna.
Liekö tämä laajempikin ilmiö, sitä en tiedä, mutta tulee mieleeni muuan tuttavani, joka piirti varsin upeita kuvia realistisista ihmisistä ja eläimistäkin (vaikka oli muuten ihan kakara iältänsä, siitä taas näkee ennakkoluulojen tarpeettomuuden), mutta ikään kuin unohti kaiken sitä tehdessä oppimansa siirtyessään sarjakuvampaan tyyliin.

Joo. Eipä muuta.

NybeKat @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 8:09 PM

Onpas sillä suuret silmät, ja tuollein aika ..öö..pelokas ilme. Kuin kammoaisi hämähäkkiä ja näkee hirmuisen seitin ja yhtäkkiä on tuntevinaan jotain kävelevän selässään, hehe.

Spiralmin @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 8:17 PM

Noo, kokeilen erilaisia tyylejä... tässä piirtoharrastuksen alkutaipaleella.
Puhdas realismi on tylsää. Vaihtoehto on epärealismi.
Sehän on niin että kun tekee realistisia kuvia, ottaa mallia todellisuudesta ja kun tekee vaikka mangatyylillä, on esikuvana manga.
Hienointa tietysti ois enemmän omanlaisen tyylin luominen (ehkä sitten ajan kuluessa). Täm on sitä kliseistä perusmangaa.

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Spiralmin @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 12:19 AM

Heips kaikki!

Tää on mun eka kuva täällä.
Yritin maalailla siskoni. En tiedä tuliko ihan näköinen, mutta sinnepäin ainakin...

Kosmonauttihai @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 5:23 PM

Tuli maalausmainen. Nuo väripinnat kasvoissa ja kaulalla saavat aikaan sellaisen vaikutelman.

Tuo tausta hoitaa hyvin hommansa, valokuvalta näyttää nopeasti vilkaistuna.

En siskoanne ole nähnyt, mutta kyllä tämä ihmisen näköinen ainakin on kovasti. Eli onnistuneena pitäisin.
Hihenosti, olet oikea seikkailija.

NybeKat @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 8:05 PM

Hei, uusi piirtäjä keskuudessamme, jee! Tervetuloa~
Kyllähän tuo tosiaan ihmiseltä näyttää, kaula vain melko pitkän näköinen, mutta se johtunee tuosta varjostuksesta, eli ei pakosti johtune sinusta.
Taustakin on ihan kiva horisontteineen.

Spiralmin @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 8:30 PM

Moiks, NybeKat, siehän oot siel kaminassa kans kommentoinut yhtä minun kuvaa... :)

(hmm... pitäsköhän etsiä lisää oekakiboardeja, kun floodailen näitä niin mahottomasti... :p)

Juu ja tuo kaula... osasyy on varjostus, osasyy se että jouduin hieman lyhentämään naamaa, että näytti paremmalta.

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NybeKat @ Saturday, October 9th 2004, 12:17 PM

Where is everyone? o__O

Kosmonauttihai @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 5:09 PM

Joo, ei ole taas vähään aikaan täällä käyty. Anteeksi.
Olen syönyt päivänkakkaroita.

Sinulla on ihana tapa käyttää ruskeita värisävyjä, ne ovat jostain syystä yleensä kovin laiminlyötyjä ne.
Ja niin söötti pörrötukka on hällä tässä. Tuollainen positiivisella tavalla harkanpesämäinen. :)
Ja ilmeikkäät silmät.

(Suippokorvat! Hee!)

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NybeKat @ Saturday, September 25th 2004, 12:29 PM

I'm bored, and too sleepy.... I woke up too early because Sami started to snore -__-;

Kosmonauttihai @ Tuesday, October 12th 2004, 5:19 PM

Tika osaa ilmeisesti olla suloinen nukkuessaan. Opettakoot sen taidon minulle kanssa.
Kasvot ja korva ovat varsin huolella tehdyn näköiset, ja nuo hiuksensa ovat aina yhtä hurmaavat.
Käsi on kyllä outo.

Kolme hurraahuutoa mäyräpupusta ja purppuroivasta värimaailmasta.

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Kosmonauttihai @ Friday, September 3rd 2004, 9:38 PM

Hampuusinkutaleet syövät maksan.

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NybeKat @ Sunday, September 5th 2004, 11:18 PM

Todellakin aika pahiksen näköinen, ainaki asento. Onkos se sukkasillaan :o
Tuo pinkki valonkajo on hieno. ^^

Kosmonauttihai @ Friday, September 10th 2004, 5:04 PM

Joo! :D
Kengät on nössöille.

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HyENA84 @ Monday, August 23rd 2004, 11:59 AM

My half of an art trade.The other person asked for some of my shroom creatures based on ducks.They drew some based on afros...I tryed a new way of drawing on this one and I kinda like it.Its faster than what I normally draw to...

Hiisi @ Monday, August 23rd 2004, 11:12 PM

Looks very nice. Even though I'm not entirely sure what exactly I'm looking at. =) But the foreground and background are nice to look at. And the thingies probably look very realistic. ;-)

HyENA84 @ Wednesday, August 25th 2004, 3:11 AM

Bone clown,I have no idea what you just said...

NybeKat @ Wednesday, August 25th 2004, 9:32 AM

Very nice fur effect! ^^ And I love the background, looks so cold.

BoneClown was saying that he doesn't know what those are, but he sees a family, with mother, father and two children.

I kinda see the same ^^ Nice little duck family. Green father and cute yellow chicks :D

Kosmonauttihai @ Friday, September 3rd 2004, 9:58 PM

Ooo, more shrooms.
They have adorably shiny furs, and the duck influence is quite noticable.
Hehee, I so want to pet those tiny chicks.

The background does feel wintry, which somewhat clashes with the grass on the foreground... hm, my guess is it's winter, but the duckshroomies are melting off the snow around them with their utter cuteness. ^^

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NybeKat @ Saturday, August 21st 2004, 11:32 PM

...kuinkahan monta tuntia mie jossain ajatuksissani jumitin ja pyöritin kynää, kun ei tämä näytä tämän valmiimmalta...
..suosiolla sohvalle tuijottamaan ötöiköitä seinillä ja odottamaan puhelimen soivan... ..ölööö ja sen jälkeen öitä, kait.

jatkan tätä sitten huomisella...

NybeKat @ Sunday, August 22nd 2004, 11:26 AM

Juu, no nyt siin on jopa jonkilaista taustaa.

I could say it's finished, but I may add some detail later..

Hiisi @ Sunday, August 22nd 2004, 2:11 PM

Hee. =) Tausta tosiaan kaipais ehkä jotaan, mutta on tää tällaisenakin hieno! Mukava yksityiskohta tuo rannekoru. Vai onko kello.

Kosmonauttihai @ Friday, September 3rd 2004, 9:55 PM

Oi, kaunoinen!
Ihanan tonetusyksityiskohtainen rantatörmä ja kirkas, lempeä ves.
Varpaat ovat syötävät, ja hällä on vielä niin kovin söötit kasvotkin.

Minä tykkään tuosta pikku yksityiskohdasta, että vetehessä kelluksii noita kukkeita. Ne piristääpi. Ei silti, nuo sinisävyt ovat aika pirteitä itsessäänkin. Taivasosa on kyllä aika yksin. Sitä itkettää.

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